tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1148894365832051745.post7529449020698369713..comments2023-05-08T10:35:25.129+01:00Comments on SHAPE Blog: The Family of Differently-Orientated PhysicistsE Journalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03337103068341562618noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1148894365832051745.post-572821638772042212018-09-27T18:28:22.873+01:002018-09-27T18:28:22.873+01:00Thank you Chris and Michael for your contributions...Thank you Chris and Michael for your contributions and information. I have some sympathy with various EU ideas, equally critical as I am of quantum physics and modern cosmology - but I'm also aware that the lack of consensus makes for a very broad church of science outsiders - church being an operative word, perhaps. My specific comments above refer to the Wal Thornhill lecture, making generalisations about EU might be ill-advised, as you say, but that may indeed be part of the problemE Journalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337103068341562618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1148894365832051745.post-1938319920159146032018-09-27T04:23:06.451+01:002018-09-27T04:23:06.451+01:00I appreciate you entering into the electric Univer...I appreciate you entering into the electric Universe discussion. But I want to caution you against grouping the community into into such simple terms. there is actually very little consensus beyond the agreement that electricity has been underestimated as a causal factor in most physical science. Michael Claragehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176265831530494434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1148894365832051745.post-62195945023073481872018-09-26T22:30:06.922+01:002018-09-26T22:30:06.922+01:00(cont'd ...)
thunderbolts.info - Their main s...(cont'd ...)<br /><br />thunderbolts.info - Their main site; they try to keep this accessible to laypeople, but there are exceptions - like ...<br /><br />The Essential Guide to the Electric Universe - This is Bob Johnson's attempt to mix in more electrodynamics discussion into teaching the EU; it was initially intended as a guide to make the technical concepts more accessible, but I think some laypeople will struggle w it; currently available at https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/eu-guides/eg-contents/<br /><br />Dwardu Cardona's thick books - This is a Velikovsky-style comparative mythology approach to the mythological archetypes which seeks to re-interpret the oldest documents through the lens of plasma physics; many thousands of pages, combined; these books remain sort of expensive, unfortunately, but I personally find his research to be meticulous and very useful; Peratt would not agree w that<br /><br />Rens van der Sluijs' Traditional Cosmology series - Rens is the more conventional version of Dwardu; same basic idea, but they come to slightly different conclusions<br /><br />Symbols of an Alien Sky - David Talbott's basic comparative mythology thesis, which is probably preferable for most to reading his text on the same subject (The Saturn Myth)<br /><br />Ev Cochrane has also published a number of books along the same lines, especially on Venus<br /><br />Controversies of Science - This is my own attempt to reformulate these materials, minus the EU branding, plus critiques of modern science, and with the added concept of tracking of scientific controversies, into a format which is more appropriate for social media; See https://twitter.com/controscience/status/1021080659803033601 for a review of THOSE resources.<br /><br />Wal Thornhill's private list of quotes dedicated to critiques of modern science - I have worked these into the search results for controversiesofscience.com. You can click the elephant and select Quotes, or one of the many categories (but many of the quotes were quite difficult to categorize).<br /><br />Anthony Peratt's historical lecture on petroglyphs - https://youtu.be/6meaU1QcSdA, this video will in due time become recognized as a big deal; but science journalists continue to completely ignore it<br /><br />Personally, I also collect critiques of modern science. So, for me, these books tend to help w the questions about why things are the way they are.<br /><br />Also, be aware that an individual, Juan Calsiano (https://twitter.com/eternodevenir), is working on a fascinating philosophical work which he is hoping will act as a philosophical introduction to the Electric Universe. He is an electrical engineer, but also VERY well read on the EU and especially aether. I am very much looking forward to this, as he claims it will be designed to help people to get past the particle bias.<br /><br />Realize as well that there are a large number of what I call "debunker hit pieces" on the Internet. These articles are mostly unreviewed and oftentimes contain glaring errors from an EU perspective. It is sad to see actual professors - like Brian Koberlein of RIT - publish such pieces. They should have run their critiques by the actual theorists - who have made themselves surprisingly available to the public - prior to publishing. It would have saved them considerable embarrassment and misrepresentation.<br /><br />I hope that this list has helped somewhat. Trust me: This subject is VAST, and I am quite sure that I have left out some very important items. If Wal Thornhill has struggled to explain the subject, there are quite good reasons for that!<br /><br />If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to run them by me - even if they are technical or critical. If there is need, I can pass them along to the theorists.controsciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15748933866951521205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1148894365832051745.post-67154317452083515802018-09-26T22:29:26.799+01:002018-09-26T22:29:26.799+01:00Re: "he never fully explains any of his ideas...Re: "he never fully explains any of his ideas"<br /><br />The Electric Sky, by Don Scott - layperson overview of entire theory, slightly more technical than Wal Thornhill's version of same (I suspect that this is the book you needed to read)<br /><br />The Electric Universe, by Wal Thornhill - layperson overview of entire theory, slightly redundant of Don Scott's overview<br /><br />Physics of the Plasma Universe, 2nd Ed, by Anthony Peratt - graduate-level explanation which includes most of the formal mathematics and conceptual discussions of the modeling evidence; spans a very broad array of topics, but never straying too far from experimental results; keep in mind that Peratt does not subscribe to Velikovsky-type human-historical planetary rearrangement claims, so he will likely appeal far more to university academics; also, Peratt has acted as a technical advisor to the Department of Energy on its Non-Proliferation Treaties, so he brings both nuclear and plasma physics specializations to bear on these topics; some of the information he has presented on petroglyphs has apparently been declassified<br /><br />Toward a Real Cosmology in the 21st Century, by Wal Thornhill - Short, decent concise overview of his arguments if you're not willing to read a book, currently available at https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOAAJ/TOAAJ-4-191.pdf<br /><br />Beyond this, there exists a very large volume of very scattered publications by Hannes Alfven - these can be very technical, but also commonly accessible to the layperson; there are historical discussions in many of these papers which are still relevant to this day; astrophysicists and cosmologists ignore this body of work at their own peril!<br /><br />IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science publications - This is of course where electrical cosmology papers tend to get published, where Peratt published his infamous galactic rotation paper, and where radio astronomer Gerrit Verschuur has published his many important discussions of HI hydrogen, critical ionization velocities and allegations of local features in the CMB<br /><br />The Plasma Universe of Hannes Alfven - David Talbott's historical review of the cosmic plasma models in EdgeScience (Number 9, October-December 2011); absolutely crucial history that is not widely taught in the graduate programs - currently available at http://coincider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/edgescience-09.pdf<br /><br />plasma-universe.com - Ian Tresman's excellent wiki dedicated to the subject; they were forced to create this due to the incredible onslaught of information manipulation happening on wikipedia w regards to electrical cosmology topics; I refer to this site probably a couple of times per day<br /><br />Halton Arp's two books, Seeing Red and Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies - The EU defers, for the most part, to Arp's work on quasars and redshift. One seems meant to be read before the other, and I believe it was the first that he wrote (Seeing Red).<br /><br />Space News Youtube Channel - Mostly informal, scattered discussion, usually about trending topics; viewership is growing<br /><br />safirefilm.com - A high-level review of the very exciting work happening w this privately funded experiment; has very quickly ramped up to generating new science; based upon a Design of Experiments approach to constructing a new solar model (!!!); has already produced historical imagery and video of double layers which will come to haunt the astrophysics domain, very powerful when combined w Alfven's claims about double layers in his older papers<br /><br />holoscience.com - Wal Thornhill's personal website, decent starting point for laypeople<br /><br />(cont'd ...)controsciencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15748933866951521205noreply@blogger.com